Your Mom's Favorite Drummer - Jim McCourt

 The podcast features Jim McCourt, drummer for the band Metal Luscious, discussing his journey into drumming, his influences, and the music scene in South Florida. Jim recalls being inspired by bands like Iron Maiden and Motley Crue in the 1980s, which led him to persistently ask his parents for a drum set. After years of playing with friends and local bands, Jim became involved in tribute bands, particularly for metal acts such as Dio and W.A.S.P., and he now regularly performs with cover bands in the Florida music scene. Jim emphasizes the importance of playing live and collaborating with others, noting the evolving music landscape. He also shares anecdotes about his experiences, including meeting legendary artists like Ronnie James Dio and working with Joey Belladonna of Anthrax. Jim highlights the camaraderie among musicians and the balance between playing original music and covers in tribute acts.

We also put him through, In Four Beats or Less:
1. Who’s on your Mt Rushmore of drummers?
2. One piece of advice for young drummers
3. What social media drummer are you following?
4. The craziest thing that happened at a gig

Check out Jim's links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq5BiY_Hgb4
https://www.facebook.com/jimmccourt66
https://www.facebook.com/metalucious
https://www.facebook.com/madeofmetal.fl

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And then we'll... All right, here. There we go. I'm going to drop it. Hey there. This is Jim from Metal Luscious, your mom's favorite band and made of metal. And you're listening to and watching Drums and Rums. Perfect. Perfect. There we go. All right. All right. And here we go. Three, two, one. Hey all, this is Paul from Drums and Rums of the Backbeats Meets the Spirits. Our guest is the drummer for your mom's favorite metal band. Take two. Hey all, this is Paul from drums and rooms with the backbeats meets the spirits. Our guest is the drummer for your mom's favorite band, metal luscious and made of metal. Their drummer is Jim McCourt. There's our guest before we jump into and learn more about Jim. I have my own little shameless plugs. I just want to go ahead and start off with. Thanks for listening to this podcast. It really means a lot when you listen. And also if you give ratings or review on Apple podcasts, those are some things that sponsors look at advertisers. So please drop us a comment. Also, if you're watching this on YouTube, don't forget to give us a like and follow. Drop us a comment what you liked about this episode. Again, those are important things that kind of we can grow, let other people know about the show. If you like what we're doing, hopefully others will follow as well here. So here we go. Let's welcome to the show Jim McCourt. How you doing, Jim? Hey, Paul. How are you, man? Good, good. So, again, I know the band here in South Florida, you guys, you know, I've got a lot of questions because I know you guys are one of the most popular bands here in South Florida, you know, obviously with the show Metal Luscious. I know you seem to be damn busy also, you know, a lot of bands you're playing in. I want to get into that, you know, obviously made of metal, you know. uh playing with joey from anthrax which is probably pretty freaking cool I know there's a couple other there's other couple big metal icons you've also performed with or been part of shows and events and festivals too which you know we could talk a little bit about that and yeah so welcome to the podcast man thanks I'm happy to be here great so all right so before we get too far let's kind of like you know let's start off with where everyone everyone says where do you how do you start getting into drums and it was probably a pots and pans episode right or something like that right No, I'll tell you, I know exactly when it was. I'm slightly older. I remember, well, two things. I got Live After Death from Iron Maiden through a friend of a friend, gave it to me on vinyl. They used to put it on there. We'd put the needle down and rock out. And Home Sweet Home video from Motley Crue comes in and a fire everywhere. I was like, you know, that's pretty awesome. So I started, that was the eighties six. I started bothering my parents for drums, you know, it took a couple of years, but by eighty eight, they, they relented and got me a pawn shop special. So that was, that was it. That was it. Yeah. it's interesting how, you know, everyone gets influenced by, you know, whether it was, yeah, Tommy Lee was the guy, right. You know, out of all the drummers during the eighties, I, I know there were probably better drummers, you know, probably, probably, you know, more technical and so forth, but you know, Motley Crue put on the, you know, put on a, an experience of, you know, before things like that were even thought of because they gave you everything. And then Tommy, you know, well, not even the show, the drum solo was, yeah, it was unbelievable. I mean, he, there's none they're better players for sure but as far as a better showman no once the drums started flipping upside down I mean that just just I'm done I'm out that's awesome you know was so how many more years did you have to talk your parents into getting you a rotating you know uh oh yeah I know I'm still I'm still working on that yeah yeah I don't know he Just the ways he topped it every year, whether it was the roller coaster spinning around upside down. Yeah, it's amazing. People remember that was in in eighty seven. He was flipping that drum set upside down. That's that's pretty that's pretty cutting edge. And it was a forklift, a forklift, and it would spin around. I mean, that's and that's how we did it. And it's still when I still see that video blows my mind. You know, what's funny is how everything always seems to, you know, like, especially the eighties, right? Everything kind of recycles, you know, thirty years later, almost, you know, forty years, right? I think we're about close to the same age. And how, why nobody's come back, you know, to, you know, everyone says the eighties were the best period of time period. Obviously, we're going to talk about, you know, the bands that you're performing and why that is. But yeah, why is there not, is nobody kind of think they got the, the, the ball's, to do things like that crazy as a drummer or has it been played out or I don't know, you know. I think it was just innovation and things. And I know there are current drummers that do some cool stuff like that. But like I said, I'm old school. So when I see a drummer like Joey Jordanson, rest in peace. But he definitely took from the book of Tommy Lee with his drum solos, which is awesome. You inspire the next generation. But still, there was no one doing that kind of stuff before him. Really, there wasn't. And over the years that I talked to different drummers, right? And we're going to get to a segment that I'm going to ask them, obviously, some of your drummers. You know, in fairness, and it's for a different reason, like I said, how did somebody, you know, again, that wasn't the pots and pans or it wasn't somebody saw Buddy Rich on The Muppet Show or whatever the case may be. You know, here is something that, like Kiss. Kiss is another good example. Right. They inspired people to get into playing music and, you know, just from, you know, okay, there's arguably... better like I said better musicians but you know that's what inspired somebody it may not have been the show yeah the show was on and we still tell people this it's like you know when we you know you go see kiss in jeans and I like the eighties kiss there don't get me wrong but you will see kissing jeans and t-shirts okay yeah it's cool but you see kiss you see the star child and the demon and the spaceman and the cat that's a whole different experience you know so yeah yeah for sure so I've got a chance to see them. Uh, I didn't get, I didn't get a chance to see them when they're in their prime or back in, you know, in that they ate that time period, you know, it was more of late, you know, uh, and I've actually taken my kids to these, you know, kiss concert, did the whole face makeup and everything. So, uh, yeah, so it was definitely fun. So, so yeah, so going in, you know, so now here we're talking about the, in the eighties and, influenced by what you saw I mean again we always talk about how mtv doesn't exist anymore and watching right now it's youtube or whatever but right I'm sure that was you're just like me friday night video fights and uh calling them you know for your vote for def leopard or headbangers ball too every saturday night we'd once we were old enough to go out we went out but we would record that every sunday morning we'd be we'd be bright eyed watching you know Maiden and Priest and Dio and Metallica and Megadeth and all the bands that we grew up loving. And that was the only place you could see those videos. They weren't playing Overkill at five o'clock at night. They were playing whatever, Bobby Brown and all that other shit. You wanted to see the good stuff. That's what it was. It was on at midnight on Saturday night. Daytime you saw Bobby Brown and nighttime you saw Bobby Blitz. Right. That's true. That's true. That's true. So, so going through that, you know, that time period and got your drums there and did you like, how did you know what was that next big step? Was it like, let's go start a band and, you know, training or training? uh no my training was I put my my headphones not my earbuds I put my headphones on and I just started playing the stuff that I thought was basic I'd play ac dc there's nothing basic about phil rudd playing back in black it's not it's a feel you know you grow up you're like oh I can play it technically but do you have the feel and you kind of you know sink it in but I had um I was playing drums in my my parents garage and had a knock on the door and it was uh little spanish girl she's like is that you playing drums I said yeah that's that that was me she's like well my brother is moving over here from puerto rico he plays guitar you guys should start a band I was like yeah okay cool send them over and she did and it turns out it was my buddy alex rivera who I played with my entire life until just recently when he moved up to uh north georgia where he's still playing now but he and I played that We started playing. I remember the first two songs we played was Wait from White Lion and Crazy Train from Ozzy because those are the riffs that we knew. And it was just he and I. And we started our first band together. It was awful. But we played our first show down the road at Atlanta Skateway, which is Skate Zone now. That's where all the bands used to play back in the late eighties and early nineties. I know everybody who was in a band back then, you played there. And that's what we did. And we just started playing. pretending to be our heroes and we were into metallic and mega death and judas priest painkiller was out so we were all that's what we were that's what we're doing yep so do so that's an interesting so uh you mentioned you know different bands here in that time frame and I kind of I I feel like in I went through so I'm going to say is I feel like I went through a very similar pattern there that sounds like what you may have gone through you know you started off maybe with a with a White Lion or the Motley Crue, right? And then you started to, your interest in music or metal started to evolve, right? Because White Lion and Megadeth are two totally different bands and fans too, right? Yep. As we're listening to this, we're like, oh yeah, hey, my buddy's like, here's Leatherwolf and Pretty Boy Floyd. I'm like, yeah, that's cool. And then here's White Lion. I'm like, great. And then my other buddy's like, Hey, here's Slayer. I'm like, oh, here's Rust in Peace from Megadeth. I still remember. I was talking to my buddies. We're still friends. He and I went to the Boynton Beach Mall, and we bought No Prayer for the Dying from Iron Maiden and Rust in Peace from Megadeth on the same day. And we were just like, put the cassette deck. And that just led us to other things, you know, to, you know. the bands that were faster and heavier and, you know, like, you know, we love Motley Crue, you know, we love Bon Jovi, we love Def Leppard, but we love some Metallica and Megadeth and Overkill and Slayer and, you know, bands that just, you know, that took it to the next, to the next level, you know? Right. Right. And, and again, you know, right. There was a different, there was a whole different, you know, playing faster, louder and, and, you know, um, yeah, I was, I get, like I said, I kind of very same evolution there growing up in Jersey, you know, and again, my, always my, my craziest story is always, again, I grew, I grew up in the same town as Jon Bon Jovi, right. And then many years later in high school, me and my friend, you know, back when, you know, I actually had long hair and had more hair than I have now. Um, we were in a shop, right. And we stumbled, you know, him and I, we've got our, You know, again, we were as you know, you know what we were called, you know, long hairs and leather denim jackets or the dirt bags. Right. Yeah. We're in the shop. Right. And we see this guy walking in long hair. He's got this like jacket on. And we're like, holy shit, that looks like Bobby Blitz. And sure enough. Right. You know, here's Bobby Blitz. And we go over to him before cell phones or anything like that. Right. We didn't bug him for an autograph. You know, we just went over and just, hi, you know, and you said, Hey, we're fans. And, and the irony was, yeah, here's talking about awkward rock and roll moment. You know, here's, we interrupt Bobby blitz returning movies back. This is when shop right in supermarkets used to rent videos. Right. My kids don't understand that concept either. They're like, you had to drive somewhere to find a movie that you had to bring it back. Yeah. My kids, they think I'm making that shit up. Yeah. so everyone who was in the supermarket didn't obviously know who he was until he realized there was people realized oh he must have been somebody of course you don't know who the hell this is you know right but it was just kind of funny that that time frame so but yeah so growing up there and you know that geez I mean some of the places you're talking about you know I wasn't here in you know the eighties and nineties in south florida but I know these places that you mentioned now it's kind of great you know nine that was that was that ninety one when rust rust and pieces came out or was it ninety ninety one So you talk about an awesome summer. I'm sorry. It was ninety. Yes. Because we saw we saw Judas Priest, the Miami Arena, which is now long gone. But we saw Judas Priest painkiller with Testament and Megadeth opening. And it was it was fast and heavy and loud. And it was it. We still talk about going to that show. I remember that it was it was it was good stuff. But yeah, that was. Yeah, we were. So, you know. So, yeah. So back to back. That's why I couldn't remember was the timing. But. you figure within those two years or two summers, you had Megadeth starting to really get commercial success and getting out there. And then you had the Black Album come out a year later. Yeah, which changed everything, really. I mean, you know, people talk about, oh, you know, metal went out of fashion in the nineties and I'm like Black Album and I'm like Pantera. You know, yes, it smacked some of the, you know, the wingers and the warrants, you know, down, but we still had Metallica. We still had, you know, Maiden, even though they may not have, you know, it was a lull commercially, but they were still out there doing it. Megadeth. I mean, these, these, and Pantera, you know, even to some extent, Dream Theater. I saw Dream Theater the first, that summer of ninety, one their first tour down images and words so they were still coming out yeah there was your nirvana's and your sound gardens but there were other bands that were still out there you know digging on technique you know yeah right yeah it's funny that you mentioned nirvana there is that we all know when that that that time period shifted between the changing of the music style right that fall of and nirvana comes out and smells like teen spirit and little you know and yeah but yeah So, so yeah, so, so going through again, you're, you know, kind of, uh, practicing and, and, and self-taught and just kind of just meeting people, jamming with people who you can get their hands on and so forth. So some of those years, you know, some of the things we've like everything from now to you know, back there in maybe your high school or, you know, in your twenties, you know, what was, what was some of those things going on there or the scene here? Well, it was, it, I mean, it had its moments, you know, we, we were all, you know, it was funny back then we weren't, no one was doing cover bands or tribute bands. No one knew what, what that was all about. You know, we were all trying to, And we were writing songs and we were playing and there was no internet. We met people because I remember when I changed high schools my sophomore year and a guy came up to me and he asked, I'm Maiden Shirt. And he goes, oh, you like Iron Maiden? And we ended up playing monkey business from Skid Row at the talent show. after that everybody knew I was a drummer and everybody wants a drummer so next thing you know you know that's that's how we networked but there were places there were lots of places to play you know when you were younger and in high school you would drag all your friends out oh jim's band's playing friday okay come on now but you know and and then as you got a little bit older, once we got out of high school and in college, you know, there were quite a few on Clematis. There was a, there was a good, that end of block, that five hundred block of Clematis. There was, you know, we had respectables that we would play at. I know it's still there, but, you know, we had Spanky's used to be there. That place was amazing. Razorcraft. There were three, four places on that little block. And when we were done, we'd go across the street and see whoever, we all ended up at whoever's gig was the latest, you know, so, but there were super fun times and we just learned, how to write songs and how to play and how to like you know and I tell everybody being in a band is like having you know five girlfriends you know you got to learn how to relate to each other and not only be a good musician but no one wants to hang out with an you know you gotta yeah you gotta you gotta know you gotta know your and you gotta you know be easy to work with right so that's how we did it that's what we did So let me ask you then. Yeah. So there was, so you'd say there was a scene and I know, and we, as the point of reference at the moment, you know, some may say, or there, or there isn't really much of a scene at the moment, but, but there was a scene. It sounds a scene that totally like, yes, a hundred percent, a hundred percent was, and it wasn't just here. Like, you know, we had, bands that we would play with, you know, all the way down to Miami. We'd go to Orlando. I made, I made great friends and I still have in Orlando. You know, I played in a, in a band in the late nineties and early two thousands called response negative. And we were like a, we were a heavy metal. We're a thrash band, you know, Bobby G from overkill. He played with us. So we, he lives in gardens. We all would play together and we, we played you know with a band called sac and I met mike rivera he's the guy that's in made of metal so we've been buddies for twenty years you know just because we had different bands and we're playing together we you know the culture room used to have a lot of local bands at the culture room greg would throw you know not so much anymore sometimes but we used to We used to make all that happen. So there were tons of places to play between Orlando. I mean, we would go all over Florida. I mean, we'd play in Jacksonville. We'd play in Tampa. We'd play in Orlando. We'd play a lot here. So there was totally a scene, yeah. All right. Yeah, those are some of the places. I mean, I'd moved to West Palm in late nineties, moved to Jupiter in the early two thousands timeframe. And then just trying to figure out the scene and, you know, places and everything was West Palm was music. I mean, before even, a little bit of the community here in Jupiter now, obviously around a lot of tiki bars and so forth. But just even remember some of the bands. Kevin and I, we've talked with a lot of the guests on the Riff and Rhythm show in the area is... Like I remember just listening to the buzz, right? The buzz. Yeah. I was just going to say the, the buzz would have, remember they would do the local, uh, was it a Sunday morning? I forgot what day, but they would have local bands come in and jam acoustic in there. So yeah. Then the bake sale, that was, that was a, that was a thing. Yeah. Do you believe I still, I actually still have a bake sale shirt. I think I went somewhere too yeah you know and we I mean up in northern jupiter we used to play swamp grass willies all the time too so we we were up there all the time yeah yeah so so that's yeah it's pretty pretty interesting you know again how the evolution of some of the music I mean there's still obviously musicians are still there and then is it some of the same level of what it used to be I mean things do change over and over time you know yeah it wasn't I mean hell like you mentioned I was just thinking there like will's pub up in orlando yeah you know still a great place um yeah at some point it was those early two thousands I remember going down a couple buddies I was starting to try to jam with and then hurricanes happened you know no four or five but yeah we went down to church hills right I mean yes that's an institution in itself right you are not a musician in south florida if you have never played church hills for sure Don't let the outside scare you. But yeah, it was a pretty cool venue. A lot of metal bands that have played there. Yeah. I played there. Probably I'd have to use two hands to count how many times I played there. And I'd be like, Oh God, Churchill's other shit. And then I go and it would just, it'd kick ass and everyone's there and they're, they're into it. And you know, they're, they're just supportive and they love, especially in Miami, they love their metal. So they were, they're always super cool. So do you, so that's a good, that's a good point there, right? So we know when we compare, at least I, I still somewhat, I mean, I know, as you said, there's still a scene here, there's still some metal here, but, but I don't feel the same. And I know it's South Florida as well. Shit. You watch any sport and sporting event and all the fans leave, you know, by anyway, but because there's so much, so many other things to do and entertain yourself. But I sometimes don't feel like it's like, I four seems to be like this dividing line between, you know, some of the hard rock bands. Cause a lot of bands may not come down further. Cause whether maybe it's cause it's a long ass drive. Oh, yeah. Now, definitely. Because I mean, getting a tour, I mean, she had a tour bus used to be a thousand bucks a day. Now it's probably three thousand a day. So unless you're even big, huge bands. Listen, I, you know, I wish Iron Maiden would come down here every tour. Nickel lives here. He's like when they don't come here, he's like, but yeah. know doesn't get much bigger than that I just saw metallica they're they're continuing their tour next year and they're playing in tampa they're not even coming down here so it's it's a big cost for a huge band like maiden or metallica to come down you know I mean you know can't complain we got pantera last year we we still get bands that come down but it's it's challenging living all the way down here you know right so I didn't I didn't see go ahead sorry no I was just I was just gonna say that you know you're changing the scene. It's challenging because you and I, I was born in seventy five. So I caught kind of the end of the eighties when I got into music and then in the nineties and you know, no one heard there was no cover bands, at least here, you know, that kind of started shifting around like the two thousands. And now, you know, you're hard-pressed to find a place that an original metal band can go and play a show, which kind of sucks, you know? And listen, I play in... Most of my bands that I play in right now are cover bands or tribute bands, but... know if you know I did a record with with again with bobby g from overkill he's like hey I need some songs I'm like send me the songs to a click and he does and I jam out off they go so I I'm always down to jam new music uh original music because it's super fun and it's it's the best it's the best high you can really get I mean you know but at the flip side I get more people coming to see me wearing spandex than I do playing original songs. So I kind of have to, you kind of have to, you know, you kind of have to listen, Hey, everybody loves Bon Jovi, but I get almost a bigger rush if I'm playing a Churchill's to original music, you know? So it's different kind of a give and take. Yeah. Right. So let me ask you, so would you consider Bobby G and again, you know, we're talking about Bobby Gustafson, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. So do you consider his music? Would you consider the music you're creating Florida original music? There's a reason why I asked that. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. If he's, if he's, if he calls me up and says, Hey, I got some songs that I need to get out. you know, he, listen, he and I have been buddies for a million years. He, he could, I mean, listen, he could record a fart and like, I need drums. I'm like, I gotcha. Okay, cool. Whatever. Put it on a click and send it to me and I'll do it. So yeah, it's totally, he's, and he's, and I always tell him, he, the guy wakes up in the morning, he puts on his guitar and he's like, and all this shit that he's like, Oh, this kind of sucks, but here it is. I'm like, dude, that's great. So, you know, I'm, I'm a fan, you know, and we're buddies. So when he, when he throws a riff at me, I'm like, I'm whatever you need, dude, I'm on it. So, So here we go. So the reason why I'm setting you up here, so the reason why I ask is obviously, you know, the show that Russ was on, you know, on the other show there, Riffs and Rhythms with AMOV. So with that, you know, if you guys are working original music, you got an invite, you and Bobby want to come on and can the Riffs and Rhythms show and shoot the shit, talk about original music and... yeah he's always listen he talks as much as I do sometimes so he could he he's always he's always got stuff to say and you know it's funny too he's you know not blown smoke he's a buddy but he's like he's an originator like the when he came out the that he was doing I mean you know people talk a lot about the west coast thrash and you know the slayer and metallica and exodus and all that stuff I mean other than anthrax you know overkill doesn't get the kind of you know I agree juice especially bob overkill was a killer man they were they were awesome I still remember seeing the video for hello from the gutter and I was like man that's awesome And it's because of that damn riff. Bob was killing. He's still a killer player. Again, he should write more and play more. With or without me, I don't care. But again, whatever he wants to ever do, I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm with you. He's such an awesome player. Well, that's how the whole music festival started right here is where is original music, right? Like you said, there's not a lot of places that bands have a chance to even play. And really almost... in any genre of, for that matter, right? So we've, you know, we've got a very, you know, interesting lineup here for the festival and, you know, in November, we've got some, you know, Southern rock country kind of bands, blues rock kind of bands. Yeah. We got, you know, AMOV, right? You know, those guys are performing. We've got a Red Calling from Tampa. They're a band coming over from Tampa. So again, we kind of tie it in, you know, Jim is like either, either a guest or we've reviewed some music, you know, and when we reviewed the music, it's more of a, what makes the song the riff or the rhythm and I'm sure if we review some of the stuff with bobby then I know I'm going to lose on this one here is probably it's going to be more of a riff influence oh yeah you know what I mean for sure yeah but you know I've it depends what kind of what I'm listening because some things I'll listen to and I'll be like I'm really I mean I'm always listening to the drums but you know I'll listen to or sometimes it'll be the guitar riff. Like I said, if I'm listening to overkill, I'm, I'm on the drum. I'm on, I'm on the, the riff. Cause the riffs are just killer. I mean, great band, but, and Metallica kind of same thing, more riffs, but Lars, I know Lars takes a lot of heat. He's, he's top-notch. The, the, the things that he has played in Metallica. Cause I, I, I play in a Metallica tribute band every now and again to call whiplash. We probably do a few gigs a year and trying to cop that kind of stuff. It's not easy, but then I listen to other stuff. Like, If I listen to Dio, anything by Ryan James Dio, I'm a huge Dio fan. I listen to the lyrics. I listen because he's like, you know, it's more, again, Vinny Appasi. Listen, the drummers that Dio's played with, Vinny Appasi, Cozy Pal, Bill Ward. I mean, Simon Wright, you know, towards the end of his career. I mean, they're all badass. But the lyrics, you know, when I'm listening to Dio's, it kind of pulls to me. So it depends on what I'm listening to rather than, you know, what's – you know yeah I got I got you yeah so so yeah let's talk about then you know some of the bands here there and so is so what started first here was it made of metal or is it metal luscious no it was metal luscious and speaking of how it has a weird buzz connection so remember the band one Okay. So John Shula was a guitar player in one. He also used to run a club, a gardens called the Kelsey club. I'm not sure if it was still around when you were here. Okay. We all used to play the Kelsey club. That was like the, you know, one of the last cool venues here, you know, I remember one, I remember one in curve. Was that another band? Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. So we would all play, um, the Kelsey club and, um, We were definitely on the heavier side and John liked us and we were buddies. He's like, yeah, you guys can play. So we would have our metal nights and then we'd have other nights. And so we became buddies. And then I am in, I go to LA in maybe two thousand eight to see Iron Maiden and I saw at the key club which is now gone metal school who had turned into steel panther so when I go see metal school oh my god this is awesome and it's just like these dudes wearing spandex and wigs and they're playing journey and bon jovi and motley I'm like this is kick-ass so I come home and I get a call from john maybe not even a couple months later He says, hey, you ever heard of a metal school? I was like, yeah, it was just an LA song. He goes, we should do that here. I'm like, yeah, all right, cool. So we got together and jammed. And at that time, he had the Mojo Room, which was up in Port St. Lucie. that's where I met Russ the first time. And we had a bass player called Gary Nutt who was in Cinderella for a brief, a little bit. And we played, it was fourth of July weekend, and it was a blast. We had a great time. I was like, Oh, this place was packed. So I go, should we do it again? All right, cool. Maybe. And we just kind of kept on going. And I mean, you know, Russ and I are still the only constant members, but you know, that's just kind of how we did it. And then funny enough, maybe a year or two later, metal school becomes steel Panther. They start writing their own songs. They're a big, huge band. So I'm like, Holy shit. How funny is that? So, um, now you own the space. Yeah. So, and again, you know, I know there's other bands doing what we're doing now. And listen, I, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I, it's, it's, There's, I think there's plenty of room for everyone, you know, especially with, because it's funny that the eighties are more popular. And again, we've been doing this for like, fourteen years already and just this band, you know, with Russ and I. So, you know, we, there's plenty to choose from and the, you know, the demand is still there. Yeah. Because people want to come and they want to, you know, and, and, and I, I, had other guys like oh we should do a nineties band and I'm like well nothing against those bands because they're killer I mean Soundgarden and yeah you know I mean Alice in Chains are still out there killing it they're awesome but my thing is I would say to this when you go to an eighties show it's a party every song's about party it's all it's a party if you're not shaking your ass or tapping your foot and then we and then we say hey listen you know there's going to be dudes at our shows because there's tons of chicks at our show still. So we're like, okay, cool. So win, win, you know, it's, and it's kind of a different vibe with the nineties stuff again, you know, That's just kind of how our mentality was. And again, we're still doing this. Fourteen years later, the same band. People still want to hear all these tunes that we're doing. And I give it to Russ, too. He's such a killer friend, man. He really is. He's one of my best buddies. And I love him and I hate him at the same time. And we're brothers and we get at it. But at the end of the day, we kind of care about what the other one's up to. He definitely is – well, I might be the backbone. He's definitely steering the ship. You know what I mean? Because there's not a lot of guys who can go up there. And we play a long time. We don't just get up there and do a ninety-minute set. You go see Completely Unchained. I love them, and Eugene is amazing. But they get up there, they kill it for ninety minutes, and then we're done. You know what I'm saying? We get up there, we do – we'll play all night. And Russ, he does it. I don't know how he keeps it together, but he does. Wow. But yes, it's a blast. It's the best times, you know, and we get to bring out, you know, I bring big, I like big drums. All my heroes play big drums. I still like big drums. I mean, I, you know, is it, is it a lot? Is it too much? Yeah. But you know what? You don't want to go see someone playing, you know, europe on a four-piece drum kit you know I mean I gotta have too many symbols a big huge drum rack and you know two twenty four by twenty inch kick drums and yeah I mean it's I mean I'm I'm making fun but I'm I'm you know that's what I want to see like I still love seeing big drums you know I still like going to a show can you imagine like a like a rush tribute band and the guy shows up in a small little four-piece kit and you're like you know I know I know yes there's always the argument saying well the less drums you know means you can do you know you're more creative or whatever do with more with less no way but again to your point if well one is I don't think I've ever seen a rush tribute band because nobody wants got the balls to go and try to to emulate I mean I gotta tell you that's that it's untouchable neil pierre is he's he's the man like he there's Him and Bonham. They're at the top of the pyramid. There's, there's none. There's other amazing drummers for sure, but they're it, you know, and Neil hit everything on that drum kit. You know what I mean? So. So, uh, what is it, what is the range there for metal luscious, uh, the genre, anything within the eighties or you just kind of, you know, yeah, I mean, we'll do, you know, we love Van Halen obviously. So we'll, we'll cheat, we'll wiggle a little bit. We'll do some early Van Halen, even though technically it was like, you know, the late seventies. Um, you know, we, we do some journey only because it, it's like the highlight. I mean, it's kind of as far out as we, as we go. I mean, you know, still fits still fits the genre still and people still though when we you know we normally have don't stop and and you know and uh separate ways in the set just as staples and it's just everybody everybody always loves it you know there's other tunes from journey I'd love to do you know we faithfully every now and again and you know I mean just talking to our keyboard player he was in a journey been you know many moons ago I'm like I want to do be good to yourself. No one's going to know, but us, I'm like, I don't care. I love it. I just want to, you know, there's so many other killer, you know, killer journey tracks, but right. So that we kind of, you know, that that's as far out of the box as we go. You know, we try to keep it, you know, where there's tunes that everybody's gonna know you know like I said your bon jovis your molly your guns and roses your poisons white snake you know we can slide some tesla in and you know and and some choir riot and you know uh some scorpions and some cinderella but you know we try not to go too deep with metal luscious we we want everybody to to like oh hey I know that song right yeah yeah I think there's a um sense of, yeah. I mean, again, you're, you're, you're there to give people what they want and what they came for a good time. And, you know, if you're playing a lot of songs that nobody knows, even it's for a lot of the same bands that they enjoy, you know, it's like, who's, who's enjoying it more. I mean, as musicians, right. That's the, that's the push and pull is, You know, I'm performing, you know, what I want. But again, in this sense, yeah, you guys are performing. You enjoy playing, but you're... Yes. And I think that really kind of shines through. That's one thing that, like, I have people come up to us after the show. And I always ask people if they've seen us before, you know. And I get a lot of, oh, you guys are great. I get a lot of people telling me that you guys look like you're having a blast. And that kind of goes back to what I said earlier. You don't want to play with an asshole. You do want to be having a great time. And if you're up there really enjoying it, that kind of vibe. Yeah. it's it catches and people are like oh I love this you don't go up there see a band staring at the floor and oh you know I mean I know some some bands aren't going to call for running around and twirling your guitar guitar up and to send the other but it's still you know we try to play every show Yeah, it'd be a little odd for like a Paul Simon tribute band and, you know, doing shit like that. Right. He's not setting his guitar on fire and smashing the drummer over the head with it, right? I don't know. I mean, this could work, actually. This could be totally a different twist on, you know, Jimi Hendrix meets Paul Simon music. That's right. For sure. So the other band there, Made of Metal there, is your doc in... tribute band so the deal with made of metal is you know uh back in uh when when ryan james dio passed away in uh uh two thousand ten mike and this was right around the time I was just getting on facebook this was like there's a little myspace action whatever again mike rivera you know it's his band he put together dio tribute it's supposed to be a one-off and they did a show the culture room and for some reason I didn't see it until after it happened so I met rock and roll ribs maybe a month or two later and I see mike and I'm like dude he's like hey man I was like you he's like what'd I do I'm like you did a deal tribute without me the drummer that he used is one of my best buds uh you know a guy called steve he's killer drummer but still I I was like why did you call me so he was well funny enough I kind of have this idea that I want to do a tribute show to the, all the bands that we love. We'll just do a one show and then we'll move along to the next. And I was like, all right, cool. So the next show, my first show that we did with them was we did a Judas priest. So, you know, I, the way I kind of explain this to everybody is when I, before I got a drum set, my parents gave me drumsticks, hoping that would appease me, you know, right. And I would sit on the edge of my bed with my drumsticks and my stereo. And I would, so made of metals, an extension of that. We had, Whatever bands we love, hey, let's do Maiden. Let's do Deal. Let's do Judas Priest. I mean, we've done Whitesnake. We've done Scorpions. We've done Suicidal Tendencies. We'll do one show. We pick the songs that we like to hear, and we just kind of go for it. And we started doing that. Like I said, my first show was in and we still do it. We do four shows here. It's a lot of work, it's a lot of practice, but there's also like, when else are you gonna go see a band play King Diamond? You're fucking not. You're gonna come see Made of Metal two Halloweens ago. We did a King Diamond show, and it was amazing, and it was like, you know, Nicky D, one of my favorite drummers, we were like, we picked the bands that we love to hear, and again, it probably wouldn't sustain itself for more than one show. We're not going to, you're not going to go and see a King diamond trivia band more than two or two times. So, you know, we picked all the tunes that we grew up in and the bands that we grew up loving and that kind of, we just kept doing it. And for some reason it caught and people, you know, we'll, we'll play it Piper's down South and it'll, you know, it'll pack out. I mean, we, we've got our, our next one coming up is, is actually a double header. It's made of metal luscious. We're doing metal luscious is opening and we're doing a tribute to wasp with made a metal right before Halloween on October. My birthday show. So, so that's made of metalism. We do one, one gig. I mean, every now and again, if we get another gig, Hey, Orlando wants to, we've gone to Orlando a few times and played it, but yeah, No, I think that's smart because, you know, again, like you said, this is the problem with the area is you, you know, bands, certain bands can't play in the same town for a certain period of time because, you know, a venue may not want to saturate. And so it's smart to kind of switch it up and say, hey, all right, maybe that's just it. You're following the band and you never know what the next true you know set is going to or show is going to be right covering and and you you you you brought up doc and we've done docking a few times our you know mike is george lynch's mike's that's mike's guy he that's what god hit the guitar in his hands and we've done a few and it's just super fun I mean we did last last docking show we did we did all of tooth and nail because it was the anniversary and it was just like you know we get to play tunes that we normally wouldn't you know get to do and and you know we kind of branch it out we've revisited a few things that we all love but um you know and then you know as the well you know all the guys in made of metal are now playing with nickel and titanium. So there goes me playing iron maiden songs anymore. I was like, Oh shit, man. Really? So that, that, that somebody, somebody's got the covered. Yeah. So I'm like, Oh, okay. Whatever. Nickel's like, Hey, you can set my drums up. I was like, all right, cool. I'll help you out. So, you know, so, you know, and, and that just goes to, you know, what amazing players those dudes are. I mean, they're my band and I'm proud of them and they just, you know, So recently, you know, you played with Joey from Anthrax, right? So how did that even come about? So he was down here last year with his Journey band, Beyond Frontiers. They're super good. We went to see them at Piper's. It was so, so amazingly cool. And I had gotten word through mutual friends that he was going to want to do a Dio tribute. And I was like, oh, okay. oh, he needs a drummer. He needs a band. I got him. Whatever. A year passes by and we're at Rock and Roll Ribs this past year and Joey came down because he and Nick are buddies and we just started chatting and we started talking about music and bands and Dio. I said, you got some guys for that? He goes, I don't know. I thought I did, but I don't think I do now. I'm like, well, you do now. I just... clobbered him over the head with my phone. I'm like, here's us playing Holy Diver. And he's like, okay, get off me. So, and then we, that was in December and, And then he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. And I texted him and harassed him. And listen, I texted his wife. She's the boss. I texted Krista. I was like, Krista, we're going to do some Dio. She's like, okay, cool. So yeah. And then he came down the following month for a charity thing that he was doing. And we, again, kidnapped him and brought him to a studio. And we jammed a bunch of Dio songs. And he's like, okay, I think we can do this. And that was that. Very cool. Very cool. That's, Yeah, that's interesting is, you know, and again, for those that, you know, that may be listening or watching that, you know, may not know, again, I'd be surprised, but let's say, let's play devil's advocate here, may not know who Anthrax is or Joey is. Joey is an amazing singer, right? And again, for doing this for over a forty years plus, you know, and to go through and, you know, I know I'm not going to kind of put him versus the others, you know, that have been in Anthrax. but yeah, Joey's yeah. Joey is my favorite. I mean, maybe some of it's because he's a OG, but you know, he's, he's just listening to a singer, you know, some of the songs and the ranges and look, you, you, you tell me if I'm wrong again, this is probably the best person for me to ask this question to is you is in your, you have an eighties tribute band, obviously the tributing, all the great music, like you said, Bon Jovi. All those hair metal bands are back in the day. Amazing singers, the range that they had, but now that they've gotten older, they can't sustain that same range anymore. Most of them, right? But Joey is still there, right? Listen, we had a real, I mean, a quick conversation about tuning. A lot of these guys, they'll tune down now. Joey's like, nope, we're doing that shit in the original key. And Mike was like, damn right we are. So they're purists. They're like, hell yeah. I mean, listen, I mean, you know, I'm not talking shit about anybody, but Metaluscious, we tuned down a half a step just because it's so long. And so, I mean, it's right. I get up there and play like it's a long time, but you know, we, um I mean joe is he's impressive I mean just if I just knew him about anthrax okay cool whatever but he is into everything from cheap trick to journey to like he's like I know that song I know that song and he's he kills it he's he's a fantastic singer and um I was telling someone that I get to paid tribute to one of my favorite singers with another one of my favorite singers. It was super fun. And we would look at each other a couple of times. Me and Mike would be like, yeah, this is pretty cool. But he's got it. I mean, he's still got that. His voice still holds up, still sounds great. I mean, if you close your eyes, even with the Anthrox songs, he's rocking that shit. So, Jim, did you ever get a chance to meet Ronnie? I did. I met him a couple times. I met him one time in – after one of the shows, there was a club in Boynton Beach called Orbit. It was there and gone, but I remember seeing a few shows there. I saw Ronnie there. I saw Slayer play there. I saw Savatage there. Wow. I want to say – so it was like an old Publix that they made. I met him after the show. Super nice. You know, I was the last in line. And then, you know, we talked and chatted. And then a few more than a few years, that would have been two thousand one. And then when I was in L.A. seeing Iron Maiden backstage at the forum and. meet him again and he's there chit-chatting and I said I met you one time I said in florida he goes at orbit I'm like holy so he remembered he remembered you know the show and he remembered being me yeah so he was he was a very very very nice guy yeah yeah it's yeah there's another another amazing performer yeah so I could definitely see yeah he's yeah he's he was another another another level too you know uh ronnie james d I mean you know it it's I i saw a couple of people you know and joey had gone out with you know uh ronnie's wife wendy dio still manages his affairs and they have a band called dio's disciples that they do with some of the guys that were in the deal band so wendy knew that we were doing this and she she gave joey his blessing but I'll tell you what I was at mega death a few weeks ago And a guy was sitting in front of me, and he kind of turned around. We were up in the front. We had really good seats. And he turned around. He goes, hey, did I just see you play with Joey Belladonna at Piper's? I'm like, yeah. And he shook my hand. And he's like, Ronnie would be super proud. And I was like, OK, cool. So that gave me the feels inside when, you know, and that's that's all I want I just we you know we love these tunes and we just want to we want to keep it going and and again where else are you going to hear joey valedana singing all these awesome not only deal songs but sabbath songs you know from the dio era and rainbows so it was it was a super cool experience and the the four shows that we did we did a little you know a little get to know you four show florida mini tour it was it was awesome the shows were all packed and uh each show was better I mean i You know, at four shows, we were all like, oh, shit, we're going home. We should do four more. That's true. Now my, you know, fifth-year-old memory is starting to come back to me. We're talking through these things and so forth. And now I remember jamming or whether it's audition or whatever it was with guys at the studio in downtown West Palm in the warehouse district. Trying to blank on the studio. But anyway, so they were, again, this is maybe ten years ago now. Yeah. They were working on a Dio tribute band. Oh, yeah? Yeah. wish I can remember I don't know that it ever I don't ever remember anybody other I mean I know there are bands especially now that are playing dio songs but like I don't ever remember a full-on dio tribute before yeah we did it I remember I remember it was like it was all the songs that you know I I had to practice or you know to rehearse was all dio stuff right and again I mean like dio stuff I mean hell even you know I don't know so But, yeah, now, damn, I wish I could remember at least a name or something. Yeah. Vinny Appasi is no joke. I mean, all the players were always killer. Vivian Campbell, obviously, Craig Goldie are super amazing players. But Vinny was there for most of it, and he still – he does a podcast every Tuesday from his – he's got a drum set up in his garage, and he still – you know, just play for an hour, take some questions and be like, okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah. So much has changed. You know, let's say somebody, uh, our last guest was, uh, Chris from red calling the, you know, the band here is going to be this festival. And he was, he was going through it. And when I was like, Hey, is any, you know, any of the art and the artists are performing at the festival. Does the drummers want to have their own show? Right. And yeah, the drums and rums show. And again, a good time. It's a great idea. Yeah. and so uh jessica the singer for red calling had asked just like hey you interested in this drums and rums and you know and uh chris is like yeah I've already checked it out he goes okay he's reading through the list he goes okay dom farmolero you know and and all these names yeah okay these are some pretty cool you know so yeah anyway so uh but yeah no it's definitely so yeah we're gonna you know just really cool is that you know a lot of Walking back memory lane here, here in West Palm. Yeah. So, all right. So let's talk about this big, this big drum kit. Again, if you're doing eighties stuff, you've got to have the kit, you've got to have double bass. You got to have crazy stuff. You said so. All right. So you, so you've got a double kick, right? Two separate bass drums, not two paddle or a single pedal. Two separates. And you've got a, you know, so you got three, four, what do you, what's the rest of the configuration there? So I've got two, twenty, four, by twenty deep kick drums. Um, and I have a, I know, a ten, twelve, I'm sorry, a twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen rack toms. The fourteen and the fifteen, I don't, they, they, they're, they're nightstands. I got, yeah, I don't. They're just there, right? I don't even only bring them out and then a sixteen eighteen floor tongue so I have um stands and all um but I had my buddy steve who had a rehearsal studio in boynton beach for a short time not there anymore I walked in he had this awesome drum rack I was like this is crazy. It was like, is that a Falcon drum rack? He's like, yeah, you know, and I'm like, yeah, that's great. So everything like mounts on it. You know what I mean? Like all like Tommy Aldridge and Nick Menza and Nico had one for a bit too. I was like, I said, listen, I hope you stay in amazing health, but if you ever die, leave that shit to me in your will. Right. So he laughs. Okay, cool. Whatever. And then as chance would have a couple months later, when did you, when did you get the rack? So, yeah. So a couple months later, he calls me up. He goes, listen, man, I'm closing up shop here. I got to get rid of this rack. I'm like, oh, hell yeah. So I take the rack. It used to belong, funny enough, it used to belong to Steve, I'm sorry, to Phil Verone from Saigon Kick. That's who the rack was made for. So I'm like, okay, cool. So I have this rack. And it's big and clunky and crazy. It's its own drum riser. If you have a drum riser, I put it on the riser. It's all well and good. If it doesn't have a drum riser, it's got stilts. So it's up on drummer. So I have this big, gigantic drum rack. I mean, I use it for made of metal sometimes, but typically it's a metal luscious thing because it's supposed to be obnoxiously big. Right. But yeah, so that's my basic configuration if I'm doing a show like that, even with made of metal without the rack, is two kick drums, the snare, two racks, and either a floor or two floors, depending on how much room I have. A lot of times the A-team is expendable if I don't have enough room. Although I played it with in-ear monitors, I don't normally need a wedge, so that gives me a little bit more room. Got it. and big drums I like big drums all my guys you know tommy lee uh you know mickey d nico tommy aldridge you know scott travis they don't they weren't all had short toms they had nickels square size six through sixteen toms and they're all square sizes and they're big and I just always liked how it sounded. When you're playing the drums, when you're just playing, the toms are like singing and everything's like moving. It's a vibe. And I still feel that way. The bigger the better. Right. So what are you? Zildjian, Sabian guy, Peisty? Peisty. Yeah, Peisty. Again. bonham tommy lee nico mickey detail you know you go with what you know I mean they're all amazing but pisces just always had that you know like an orchestra like I have an orchestra of drum I have an orchestra of cymbals well you know it's just yeah pisces always did it for me always we had I had a a cymbal maker on here american uh guy independent guy nicky moon uh he you know he's you know it's interesting to be talking and making cymbals and you know he trained under other people and some of the stuff he was was making is was kind of really interesting and uh but yeah there's so many you know that those are just like the mass commercialized you know some of the big used to be just three yeah zildjian savian pisces that was it now yeah there's a whole lot of other ones which is good for the marketplace it's good for us you know yeah so that was uh yeah so chris chris like I said the past guest is he's the north american operations for domine I think it's a company out of asia that he's the north american guy so he's he's offered to bring cymbals to the festival for others to do you don't have to bring your own stuff and that's great that's great opportunity funny I used to be like no I want to play my shit now if there's a drum kit I'm like I'll play that and thank you thank you very much no problem I'll bring my seat and I'll bring my snare I'll bring my pedals I'll leave the pedals on I'll my my four to nine year old back is like nope I don't want to move drums today I'm good to go thank you that's what I found fascinating being in nashville was right is seeing the drum you know bands move from place to place is like they walk in there's a good house kid again this is nashville right yep you know yeah pedals cymbals your snare and then that's it right and perfect and I don't even think they even put the you know the washers the wing nuts on top of the cymbals just because I'll take it quick quick on and off right so that's right for sure so All right, so, Jim, we talked a lot about a lot of drum stuff here, a lot of great music memories, a lot of great music. So this is a segment here. This was not part of the questionnaire, so this is a segment we've got. It's a rapid-fire segment called In Four Beats or Less. Okay. So I'm going to ask you four questions, and you're going to try to see how, in four beats or less, you don't overthink stuff, all right? Okay. All right, here we go. So in four beats or less, who's on your Mount Rushmore of drummers? Nico, Vinny Appasi, Tommy Lee, John Bono. Okay. All right. All right. So a couple of new names on there. Okay. I've gotten four. Okay. Some, some, obviously you can probably figure some have already been met. Bono's got to be on everybody's I'm sure. But yeah, you can't leave them out. Yeah. All right. So in four beats or less, you know, again, I know you're, you know, again, you've got a big tie in there with Piper's, you know, I know you're performing there a lot and, you know, you know, Greg and, you know, and everything. So, and so you'll see a lot of bands that come through younger kids and so forth. So what's one piece of advice you would give young drummers? Play a lot and play with other people, play a lot and play with a lot of people. Okay. Yep. So yeah, you're not going to get better. You're not going to get, you don't get out there and just do it. Right. That's a big, sure. Yep. Perfect. Yep. All right. So, so in four beats or less, uh, I know you mentioned you, you, you drop name, drop my space. So I know it sounds like you're a big social media guy. Um, so in four beats or less, what social media drummer do you follow or aware of? You know, um, I don't know that he'd be considered a social media drummer and he's a buddy, but I'll drop him anyway. Shane, uh, Kenny from drum Smith from drum center, Port Smith, his, if I need to think what kind of, I want to hear what this snare drum sounds like, I'll type it in and he'll be up there or wanting somebody in his staff up there, up there playing it. And, um, that always, you know, He gets my business too, but I'm like, what does this old drum sound like? And there he'll be playing it. And I think he changed how drums are sold and how drums are consumed online because we can see it now. And that always blows me away. But I mean, there's so many, I mean, all these guys from Brazil that are up there with one hand drinking coffee, doing blast beats. I mean, they're all, you know, I get people send me, oh, have you seen this? I mean, it blows me away, you know? I know, right? You're like, yeah, I think it's El Stelpario, right? Yeah. And he's like, oh, check out this guy. Yeah, I know. I'm like, it's like, don't you think I wouldn't already know this guy? I know. And I mean, shout out to everybody at Drumeo. I mean, everybody I've ever loved almost, they're at Drumeo. Whenever I see like, oh, Tommy Aldridge did a Drumeo, I'm like, clear my calendar. I want to watch whatever Tommy Aldridge is doing. Thank you very much. And then, yeah, it's just, yeah. Yeah. It was amazing talking to Jared is, uh, and just again, one, one is Jared, you know, again, it was one of those, I'm a fan. I know of them. Right. And I'm like, I'm shit. Thanks for, thanks for doing my podcast and this little podcast and you are Jared. And, um, but yeah, so it's just amazing to see who differently has on. So, uh, uh, so, all right. So the last question here, four beats or less, I know you've got a good one here for this answer. So four beats or less, the craziest thing that happened at a gig. Oh, um, okay. Well, I'll go way back. I already named dropped Atlanta skateway. I'll go way back to Atlanta skateway. My, uh, pawn shop special drum set which I had gotten another kick drum for which is the same rock configuration I had two kick drums two rack toms on the floor and the lighting rig the lighting rig was pretty much held together in the old school uh uh ceiling and we had to push the drum riser back a little bit because the cable wouldn't fit for our pa and we are playing For Whom the Bell Tolls by Metallica. And one of the – because we didn't have enough songs. We had to add a cover. One end of the lighting rig came swinging down and took my drums and my toms. And again, I keep people for a long time. So one of my buddies was like, hey, remember that time we were playing Metallica? The lighting rig almost killed you. I'm like, yeah. So that's way back to the beginning. That was like my second or third show. I still – You know, I still remember that and think, glad I didn't die that day. Definitely almost a Spinal Tap moment there, especially, you know, drama related, right? Yeah, the drummers always die, right? Yeah, that's true, always. Yeah, so that's a good... kind of crazy story. So, um, yeah, so no, I appreciate Jim, you know, coming on the show here. So, uh, which, all right. So here in closing here is like, what do you got the plug? What do you got? Let people know gigs coming up. Okay. So yeah, I mean, you mentioned, you mentioned like a big one here is going to be coming up in December every year, uh, you know, down at rock and ribs, you know, if you want to, what are you going to go? Yeah. Okay. So rock and roll ribs will not be happening this year in December. Sadly, Nick goes out on the road. So when he comes back and he comes back, maybe the second week in December and, you know, that we would have it the second Saturday. So we are working on hopefully rescheduling. I mean, we're all pushing for January, but I mean, it's up, you know, he's the boss. So whatever he wants to do, uh, we're going to make it happen. Um, we got a bunch of metal luscious shows. We're at Hiram's on Saturday. If you want to come up and see us at Captain Hiram's and Sebastian, um, the weekend after that, we're, I believe a gluppies down in Pompano and, and then we've got uh made of metals doing our metal luscious made of metal luscious show we're doing metal luscious and then we're doing wasp so if you like you know some awesome wasp songs come see that and then when is that one that's october then saturday october the And then, you know, next year, hopefully we'll be doing some more, you know, Bella Dio shows as we like to call it lovingly. And, uh, you know, I'm sure there'll be some titanium tart shows with the guys playing with nickel also. So we're all, you know, we're around, we're all over, you know, Facebook, you know, made of metal, metal luscious. Find me. I'm on there too. So we, we try to keep busy. Very cool. Very cool. All right, cool. So, All right, so we'll include all the couple of links that you had sent over there. Yeah, totally. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, no, so I can't, you know, I can't wait to, you know, and like I said, I know, right, we've known each other, or maybe I know you more than you know me, but, you know, again, through Russ, I appreciate, you know, Russ. Yeah, of course. You know, for hooking us up here in this episode here, and then definitely check out, you know, those guys as well, you know, it's definitely a cool crossover concept we've been doing with the two podcasts now. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, so. um so yeah so I'd like to thank jim for coming on the podcast talking about drums music live you know and uh so check out drums and rums podcast give it a like and follow lots of other great episodes are out there follow us on facebook instagram you know all the socials and subscribe to the youtube channel as well check out drumsandrums.com check out our other sister shows riffs and rhythms jams and cocktails as well all part of the new podcast network that we've been building called b three podcast network Yeah, man. Thank you all for having a great day. This is where the back beats me experience. Cheers, Jim. Thank you, brother. I appreciate it. All right. We'll end recording.